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locked into inception radio network

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superior Wisconsin from aliens to ghosts

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demons to hatred from shadow people to

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welcome welcome everybody to my awesome

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right an evening you're listening to me

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howdy Hollis the Outlander oh my

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goodness it is a new year I am sorry I

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have been gone for a bit huh mother

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nature or something or viruses or bugs

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or something took me down I don't know

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what took me down but I I just oh it's

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been a wicked time I missed the holidays

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and everything sitting in the hospital

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can you believe that I've never missed

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Christmas it's my favorite so yeah I'm

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sorry guys that I wasn't here um anyways

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I hear my guest is rumbling around he's

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probably run down this but whistling is

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dogs down but I wanted to tell you guys

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what this show is about first because

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you guys I know you guys are wondering

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who the heck I am sometimes but this

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show is about bringing outlandish topics

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to the forefront from aliens to ghosts

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demons holy encounters shadow people to

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Bigfoot to the outlandish I always say

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if it's weird we're here and sorry use

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the stop staring at me about me when it

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comes to the outlandish I am someone who

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has been there seen that experienced it

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freaked out found some answers wrote

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about it got over it and now I'm hoping

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to help others do the same thing and

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understand this crazy crazy world of

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ours if you dare please go and check out

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my main website which is Heidi Hollis

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dot-com and you will find so much there

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about me and also my pretty fun and

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interesting Facebook pages I welcome you

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to type in their paranormal pledge or

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shadow people and half-man experiencers

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group I also have a face the other F

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word like I'm all up join me join me

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it's fun it's fun and I want to tell you

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guys how you could also hear this

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program because I love this inception

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and radio network has an app an IR an

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asleep listening to us for hours on end

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it's really cool I like it or you could

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do what my parents do when they listen

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to this program and just dial a simple

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number which is four zero one two eight

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in to the program because I'm not afraid

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of you it's okay it's alright I could

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take you on I can take you I swear to

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god so feel free to call one eight eight

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second and also to Inception a radio

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network just look for him so and also

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you know usually the beginning of all my

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shows I do something called the

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outlandish corner that's special-effects

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I know it's fantastic outlandish corner

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what is that that's where I take your

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experiences questions comments anything

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and everything that regards things out

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of the ordinary and I do my best to give

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some logical advice if I can logical try

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to be logical anyways so I welcome you

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to write me at dusk Outlander at

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gmail.com that's das Outlander at

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gmail.com and you can also go to my

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facebook page and send me a message

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there just put a 1 in front of Heidi

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Hollis

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so gmail.com backslash 1 Heidi house

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it's really hard so feel free I also

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have a radio chatter on there you can

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send me messages - you know if you could

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psychically project it to me

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I welcome that as well so feel free to

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go that route as well it's um that's all

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good I have a lot of fun doing this and

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oh my gosh I've been so out of practice

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it's been several weeks I haven't been

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here and I have been joining I did join

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my first back show - so I'm gathering my

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energy still god help me God willing it

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is going to go well from here on out I

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promise not to get sick ever again it

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was the flu that took me down to begin

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with is not something the freaking flu

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everybody watch out for that flu the flu

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is horrible killing people killing

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paranormal people so anyway so I'm gonna

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forego we're not gonna do we're not

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going to do the outlandish corner

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because I've got a fantastic and special

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special guest I'm rolling out the purple

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carpet for him in fact I'm going to

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introduce him barely because he can

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introduce himself more than enough

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with so much stuff it is the guy that I

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Keva cook who is a paranormal researcher

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specializing in Catholic mysticism

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I think they sit around with rosary

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beads and burn him or something I don't

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know I was kidding

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regarding various sightings and

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appearances of the Virgin Mary with his

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book Marian apparitions are real visits

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of Jesus and Mary

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everybody round of applause for Kevin

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cook it go crazy Kevin Kevin how are you

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doing I'm doing fine I have too much fun

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with you I mean my goodness but you know

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you are only one of what is it two

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authors in the world that have written

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on this topic of Marian apparitions

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right well I wouldn't say - I mean

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there's not many survey books as far as

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a survey book being the whole phenomenon

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yeah there's a lot there's different

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books on st. magic or E or Fatima nacht

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perhaps but for the most part yes

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three in the history of the world have

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been written as a survey book on this

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and I guess Heidi the thing is that as

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an overview maybe we get a lot of

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specifics but as an overview Oh golly

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even I having written the book you know

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of course I looked it over again for the

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show it's been a couple years since I

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wrote it but even I I guess fuel in

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retrospect kind of really odd that I've

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been given this information and exposed

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to things I have because bottom line

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this is the most studied authenticated

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paranormal experience there is there's

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never been anything even close to this

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as far as evidence physical evidence

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number of witnesses photos all the

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things that would you know you could

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take to court and get a court decision

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on if you will and not dr. Tim Barr

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thieves the

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he's now Dean of TCU Texas Christian

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University he wrote a Oh a

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recommendation for the book

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and that's on my website Marian

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apparitions are real and what have you

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but I didn't it didn't get put in the

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book itself but what it amounts to is

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he's a very big time ghost researcher

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and he's director he was Dean of the

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psychology department before he became

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Dean of Students and a really

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prestigious guy and he says it's really

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a joke when you compare the two things

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like you know like the Ghostbusters will

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run or what do they call the taps people

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they'll run around and they'll have

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their little meters and maybe they saw

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something and maybe they didn't this

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stuff is as hardcore as as reporting on

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the second world war it's been going on

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for two thousand years what I'm saying

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is it strikes me just looking at the

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book even though I wrote it it just

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strikes me how awesome this info is yeah

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yeah you know it's uh it's something a

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question that I've always had in my mind

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when it comes to people who see Mary

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versus Jesus is I wonder if it goes

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according to their denomination you know

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you found to be true or does it not

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matter it doesn't seem to matter sites

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in Egypt that was the one that was seen

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by the very most people over a two-year

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period there were quarter million people

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in the square around the Orthodox Church

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the Coptic Church in situ and which is a

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suburb of Cairo and they're mostly

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Muslim and actually interestingly the

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Moslems Revere the Virgin Mary as being

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a special person as opposed just like

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not hurt that well I'm not you know

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completely versed in their background

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person in religion they do view Jesus as

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having been a prophet with some validity

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of course they look at Muhammad as being

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the chief prophet etc but they still

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look at Jesus as having a person of

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stature and Mary is one having one too

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and they revered the Virgin Mary I know

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that's unusual but it's true but that no

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of the quarter-million I'd say you know

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golly at least half were Muslims that

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were in the square but no you know you

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experienced something yeah Greece

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recently which that odour of sanctity

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that you experienced is what really set

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me on the path of writing the book and I

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guess I probably should mention that how

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do you got to you know yeah yeah but

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what what I was doing was I got

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converted Catholicism say 2006 from the

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Anglican Church and I was uh on a real

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estate buying expedition to upstate New

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York in 2008 and you know the property

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wasn't just quite what I wanted so I you

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know I was gonna just plan I was gonna

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fly out of Albany Thursday mornings I

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was just gonna be a sight sightseer

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tourists and the Mohawk Valley very

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beautiful place about 40 miles west

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bound of Albany on highway 90 and you

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know an erotic mountains all that and

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well I I've only played tourists for

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about ten minutes till I came across our

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lady martyr shrine which is uh right off

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the highway basically in a town called

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fultonville well orys Ville kind of was

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disbanded than to just Fulton Phil

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basically but what it amounts to is you

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know I figure well I'm a Catholic now

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I'll go check this out add very

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beautiful grounds it was maybe 80 70 to

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80 acres on top of what kind of a

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plateau not a real high plateau but

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about a third of a mile up and just

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really nice grounds couple chapels and

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just a nice layout and it was real

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breezy - I'm gonna say that for a reason

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but it was a you know September was

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starting to get kind of kind of cool up

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that far up north and what happened was

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I started you know after about the first

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ten minutes of walking around the

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grounds I started smelling an

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overpowering grabbed you by the throat

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smell of roses and I mean powerful and I

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have bad allergies in Texas

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currently living and you don't get over

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them and I've have had this experience

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if I'm gone for three weeks it cleans

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out of your system but fits for a couple

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days it doesn't and it's in other words

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I don't have like really great sense of

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smell but but this was like powerful

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powerful and the only roses were about

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20 acres away from me on the in the

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shrines grounds and it just went on and

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on and on and I finally I went in the

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museum book store they have up there and

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I I you know asked a curator there I

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said what what's what's up with this I

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sell trees and I see pines maples that

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kind of thing but not anything fragrant

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and she was like you know I slapped her

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in shock because you smelled it too and

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I said yeah and what happened is she's

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been there 12 years at the time I should

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probably well 15 now but 16 now but

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every six months to a year someone

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experienced the odor of sack that either

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and they always come in to see her

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because she's the one mainly on duty

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and I should say also there was there

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was no this was about pretty early in

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the morning like 9:30 10:00 and there

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were no services going on there's no

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incense floating around or it's just in

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them basically this is pretty rural

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setting what it amounts to is this was

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potent and there was no logical natural

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explanation for this no I can't remember

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did you say at the time you were

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Catholic or yes I converted Catholicism

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a couple years before at that time okay

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got it okay but I always had an interest

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in the Marian apparitions from years

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past and here's the thing since I

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experienced this odor sanctity and by

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the way it was powerful it it was you

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know you know me from having associated

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with me for a year or two that I'm yeah

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kind of a hard hard-bitten old cuts yeah

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yeah and not easily moved by stuff I

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mean I've been a lot of life and death

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situations and come out

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good yeah but this was like awesome

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because I guess you and your you've had

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similar kind of experiences is that once

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you get exposed to the holy and stuff

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it's like man everything else is like

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yeah

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like kitty litter compared to that you

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know nothing nothing compares truly does

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no no it doesn't I'm thinking oh my

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goodness oh man I mean it was so good

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Heidi I was thinking I was trying to

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work a deal I'll sing look if all this

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is out there and I've made the great

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enough to at least experience this let's

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just clash you in the chips now this is

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a good place to croak as any let me do

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it right here and get it done but they

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said I guess they threw me back in the

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water but it was that awesome is what

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I'm saying you didn't want to go back

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and it was similar to an out-of-body

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experience I had once only this is much

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more majestic so when you smelled it did

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did you get hit with a sense of awe or

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more of a wonder like where'd that come

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from well at first it was just kind of

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crept up on you but then it was awesome

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because I realized that hey this is

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going on and on I mean this is like you

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know in the context of the nursery

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business that I do I'll smell something

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periodically but not even that much at

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that I mean this went on and on I knew

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it was something bizarre I knew it was

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because they only roses like I say we're

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near a statue of the Virgin Mary twenty

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acres away I mean maybe a bloodhound can

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smell it but I couldn't and anyhow I

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knew then there was a feel to this place

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a feel to it that's different ID it

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wasn't your regular old place I mean yes

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there's nice churches around sure but

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this was different this had a feel like

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I even had thoughts going through my

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mind as this is a really holy ground my

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goodness and you know I've been taught

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through lots of churches and

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what-have-you but this had a distinctive

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feel and also one of the priests of my

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church now I told him about him he's

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very familiar with our Lady of martyrs

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shrine in norrisville and he said yes

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there is that feel to it there really is

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I mean that because uh and oh by the way

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one of the things that

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about it was that you know when I talked

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to Carol in the bookstore the curator

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she said she had a map of the shrine she

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says you probably smelled it right here

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at it's at the strongest point as far as

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the smell of roses enough and she was

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right and that that was where the first

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rosary was said in that part of the

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country in 1642 so there was real

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obviously she knew from other people

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have you know they were accurate and

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that's where it really watch it and that

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is about where the you know say that was

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the strongest point of the smell but I

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mean I've been smelling it for you know

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acres before but yes that that was

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really something Heidi and it was

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something you could never forget if I

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live to be 300 you know it's being

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mentioned here in the chat room and I'm

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not Catholic so I I I don't know what

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gets spoken of in the Catholic Church

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but there Carol and Lorraine are

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mentioning that you know this is this is

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like something they have not heard of

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odour of sanctity that it's as if this

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is something that you know Catholics

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don't discuss often in the church I mean

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is this a known phenomenon among cattle

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yes yes I don't know where Carol's been

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but I know the gal that they've dealt

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with my annulment at the church you know

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she they have basically an advocate

390
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oh no this it's just a question in

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general that's just careless oh no no

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I'm saying yeah most Catholics are very

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familiar with this is something that

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could happen to you it's like the Holy

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Spirit almost er well it's not something

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okay let's put it this way it's not

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something that every Tom Dick and Harry

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experiences no but it is very very much

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of a common experience for those that

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have been exposed to these apparitions

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or holy experiences I could give you one

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example the gal that was did my

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annulment like I say to the church you

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know voided my marriage to the

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hypochondriac wife this gal was at her

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step mother's bedside and there's a

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whole slew of them in there the lady was

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dying and so forth and the odor of

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sanctity spread through that room so

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much so that all half-a-dozen eight

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people in the room started saying the

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rosary I mean in other words it does

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happen different times it's just it's

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not it's not as common as you know

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sprinkling yourself with holy water or

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something but it definitely is an

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experience that does happen and it has

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also been associated with Catholic

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saints like Padre Pio st. Catherine

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Laboure just specific specific smell is

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mostly associated with Marian

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apparitions for the most part for the

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most part look at this there's there's a

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guy here bill in the chat room who has

425
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an interesting thing that's happened to

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him he said what's your interpretation

427
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of the smell of flowers in a room

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suddenly when there are no flowers in

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the vicinity that this has happened to

430
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this person bill a few times well that

431
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that was kind of like the gal that was

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talking about the and the hospital room

433
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where there weren't ain't real amount of

434
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flowers might have been a bouquet or

435
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something but probably not this is more

436
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of intensive care kind of setup and also

437
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where I was there was just a handful

438
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Heidi just I mean and also September the

439
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poor bedraggled things were about on

440
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their last legs

441
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hey Stephanie whatever I mean you know

442
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it's September New York's upstate New

443
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York about you know hop skip and a jump

444
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from Canada so I think the flowers had

445
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seen their lifespan about gone so what

446
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I'm saying is yes around Padre Pio the

447
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saint who lived in the 60s it wasn't so

448
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much

449
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there was a floral scent it wasn't quite

450
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the rose scent as I understand it but he

451
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exuded a a scent and he didn't wear

452
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cologne or anything like that I mean it

453
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goes part and parcel with Catholicism

454
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you don't have to be a Catholic to

455
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experience it but it definitely is a

456
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phenomena that most Catholics would yes

457
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know about

458
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it's amazing so and for this you know

459
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bill mentioning this has happened to him

460
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he kind of associated it potentially to

461
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have been you know passed loved ones

462
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that kind of reminded him of that do you

463
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think that I don't know I guess you know

464
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if you knew that aunt Susie loved

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carnations you smoke carnation yeah yeah

466
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I know what they mean there I mean I've

467
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already had a ghostly experience of

468
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their dad smoked cherry blend pipe

469
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tobacco's if you will I think that is

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what it was and they had you know I

471
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think there was kind of a haunting in

472
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that case where they smelled old

473
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grandpa's cherry vine pipe tobacco but

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but this is way more majestic than that

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I mean this is this is like gravy by the

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throat kind of a thing and it was very

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very I was very appreciated and any rate

478
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spurred me to write the book and I do

479
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urge anybody that can to go to Our Lady

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of martyrs shrine in Orias Ville New

481
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York you'd fly to Albany and take a you

482
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know red card 40 miles west bound of

483
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Albany on highway 90 it's a beautiful

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place see the Adirondacks see the shrine

485
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it's a hundred and thirty year old

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shrine which really commemorates it

487
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there's a saint kateri who was the first

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american indian saint and she she was in

489
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that area too and that area was

490
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highlighted with her elevation to

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sainthood this past summer very

492
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interesting so this is I mean I I'll

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share what happened to me for people

494
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that haven't heard let me discuss it on

495
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your show and to say that it this

496
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happened I was like the second week of

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December so this this past December with

498
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myself and I just I don't know it's like

499
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I went to a friend was was leaving she's

500
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moving to Africa for for a bit to help

501
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in some research and so we're having a

502
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little going-away party and whatnot and

503
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you know me having had some crazy things

504
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going on as far as health-wise my neck

505
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and being broken at all one of my

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friends there she's Irish and Irish

507
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American and she'd she traveled to

508
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Ireland to you know go and take in the

509
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sights and sounds and then she decided

510
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to climb the highest point in Ireland I

511
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don't know I don't recall what that area

512
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is right name I know I've seen ya

513
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and she said that up there there used to

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be a monastery where monks used to live

515
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and you know the the place was no longer

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standing but many miracles were said to

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have taken place there and people were

518
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told and welcome to to go to the well

519
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that they used to use to get some of the

520
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water because it was considered to be

521
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holy water so she said I climbed for

522
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hours hiking this mountain or this area

523
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and you know just said literally got on

524
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my hands and knees scooped out the water

525
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out of the well and here it is I'm very

526
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very very she doesn't share this water

527
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very often

528
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she said I'm I I give it oh great did

529
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you hear those sounds I'm here in

530
00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:08,780
Chicago something literally like

531
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gunshots just now beautiful yeah you

532
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:17,600
heard that that was crazy

533
00:24:21,130 --> 00:24:19,250
oh my goodness so somebody just got

534
00:24:28,540 --> 00:24:21,140
killed in Chicago I'll turn on the news

535
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here shortly to see who died yeah so

536
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anyways give me 2 sec yeah so yeah a

537
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horrible place anyways um I would I

538
00:24:43,620 --> 00:24:37,700
think perhaps I should call 9-1-1 maybe

539
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:46,720
so this is what took place so my friend

540
00:24:55,570 --> 00:24:50,930
she goes and she dab some of this water

541
00:24:58,900 --> 00:24:55,580
on my forehead she blesses me just on my

542
00:25:01,150 --> 00:24:58,910
my under my chin and a little bit on my

543
00:25:04,990 --> 00:25:01,160
neck and she's like there so your your

544
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:05,000
your neck will never bother you and you

545
00:25:07,660 --> 00:25:06,050
know you'll have good health and all

546
00:25:09,220 --> 00:25:07,670
that good stuff and I'm like that's so

547
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:09,230
sweet thank you you know which blessed

548
00:25:13,150 --> 00:25:10,130
me three times

549
00:25:14,620 --> 00:25:13,160
that's precious water of hers and I'm

550
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:14,630
like wow that was really sweet of her

551
00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:16,130
and I'm like and she like she's sitting

552
00:25:20,260 --> 00:25:17,929
there talking to my my other friend and

553
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:20,270
and I'm going oh wow that's that's

554
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:22,490
rosewater that's really smelled good wow

555
00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:24,410
that's that's that's interesting you

556
00:25:28,210 --> 00:25:26,030
know I'm like so did you you know I'm

557
00:25:30,850 --> 00:25:28,220
thinking she may have you know put a

558
00:25:34,419 --> 00:25:30,860
little you know Rose scent in there or

559
00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:34,429
something like that and I was like you

560
00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:35,929
know I'm telling her this and she's like

561
00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:39,950
no Heidi no no I didn't like huh no no

562
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:42,289
I'm like I smell it it's so strong it's

563
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:43,850
it's really you know it's a pretty

564
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:49,010
that's Pope Rose smell yeah and the

565
00:25:51,730 --> 00:25:50,450
people in chat rooms are cracking me up

566
00:25:54,490 --> 00:25:51,740
right now because they're talking about

567
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:54,500
the gunshots but anyways so I'm just

568
00:25:59,620 --> 00:25:56,330
like you know wow that's you know that's

569
00:26:02,169 --> 00:25:59,630
amazing and she's like Heidi I I think

570
00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:02,179
you're experiencing that thing that's

571
00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:03,710
the Catholic thing I'm like what do you

572
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,169
I said oh my god odor of sanctity she's

573
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,720
like yeah that's it and I was like my

574
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:11,120
friend the Kevin talks about this I'm

575
00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:15,049
like I smell roses and I'm like smell me

576
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,460
and they're like I don't smell it

577
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:18,559
I don't like come on I mean I smelled

578
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,510
straight-up roses so it was it was

579
00:26:23,770 --> 00:26:22,159
pretty amazing to me and to come to you

580
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:23,780
and say oh my goodness

581
00:26:30,970 --> 00:26:28,370
you know OMG Kevin nice experience it

582
00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:30,980
happens and it's you know it's it's been

583
00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:33,100
a couple it's been something that's so

584
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:36,230
frequent experience for like I say 2,000

585
00:26:43,870 --> 00:26:40,970
years so like I say I like Barth the

586
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:43,880
doctor I was telling you about the PhD

587
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,840
guy you know he just you know he's a

588
00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:50,000
paranormal consultant to different ghost

589
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,230
groups and all that but they he said

590
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:53,120
that's all baby stuff compared to this I

591
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,809
mean we're talking a 2000 year run

592
00:27:01,299 --> 00:26:57,520
consistent

593
00:27:02,860 --> 00:27:01,309
images and I'll get into more details

594
00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:02,870
after the break and what-have-you but I

595
00:27:07,390 --> 00:27:04,460
mean there's there's physical evidence

596
00:27:10,270 --> 00:27:07,400
of this Heidi it isn't just experience

597
00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:10,280
and you know I guess all I'm trying to

598
00:27:14,140 --> 00:27:11,270
say I'm not trying to make more of

599
00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:14,150
myself than I am but I am a good witness

600
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:17,480
if you will and I'm not shaken by stuff

601
00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:20,990
and I you know if I saw it it happened

602
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:22,340
is what I'm saying I don't run around

603
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:23,490
seeing

604
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:27,690
you know ghosts coming out of the subway

605
00:27:36,020 --> 00:27:33,510
restaurant or experiencing a lot of

606
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:36,030
phenomenon in my life I mean I can't

607
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:37,140
Romans Catholic Church I have

608
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:38,970
experienced a lot of phenomena but not

609
00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:42,570
in other parts not in just do you think

610
00:27:46,820 --> 00:27:44,580
it counts or matters that not too long

611
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:46,830
after that I got put in the hospital I'm

612
00:27:54,770 --> 00:27:49,520
just kidding I'm just kidding

613
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:54,780
holy water not work on me I mean they

614
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:02,270
today now your bio does say that you

615
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:04,710
were a Methodist preacher at one point

616
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:08,370
we will get into that soon so you were

617
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:10,050
one of my people at one point but

618
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:13,770
actually that's gonna lead me into the

619
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:17,330
next bit after the break here because

620
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:20,250
Carol in the chat room is asked was

621
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:22,740
there something that happened to you

622
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:24,210
that prompted you to convert to

623
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,610
Catholicism because I mean that's that's

624
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:28,559
quite a leap so I don't want to get into

625
00:28:32,150 --> 00:28:29,520
that after the break

626
00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:32,160
because I just can't imagine totally

627
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,590
like you know I'm gonna go over here I

628
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:37,200
just I don't know it's it's it's a it's

629
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:39,570
a bit not just that it's not just that

630
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:41,700
Heidi but I'm not just a Catholic I'm

631
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,380
like those old Sicilian women up in the

632
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:45,120
East Coast at like candles all the time

633
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:47,490
it's just beat the rug with a with a

634
00:28:53,030 --> 00:28:51,510
broomstick right but so we're gonna get

635
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,040
to our break you guys you listen to me

636
00:29:26,770 --> 00:28:54,720
honey Hollis the Outlander an inception

637
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Network superior Wisconsin hi this is

639
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Heidi howís and I wanted to share with

640
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you guys a little bit about myself in my

641
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642
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643
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644
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645
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650
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651
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652
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expect and then my book the secret war

653
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657
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664
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check out her amazing website at

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for aliens to ghosts demons a dream from

717
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shadow people to the outlandish tiny

718
00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:47,870
welcome back everybody you're listening

719
00:33:51,170 --> 00:33:48,870
to me Heidi Hollis

720
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:51,180
the Outlander remember always if it's

721
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:52,860
weird we're here we're giving you advice

722
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:55,650
and insight on outlandish topics phone

723
00:34:00,560 --> 00:33:57,330
lines are always open at one eight eight

724
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:00,570
eight nine one nine 2355 because kevin

725
00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:03,510
cook my guest loves talking to callers

726
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:10,470
don't you Kevin I'm a big people person

727
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:14,370
you know I'm joking over here on my

728
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:16,530
coffee cuz we all know that's not true

729
00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:22,110
but you know there was a saint kevin and

730
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:23,820
i was a friday lady but there was a

731
00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:26,970
saint kevin who was a hermit and he

732
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:29,190
loved animals and he had an uncommon

733
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:31,320
bonding with animals which is about like

734
00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:36,050
me i probably who would've thunk it but

735
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:38,820
you know i wanted to give back to what

736
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:40,200
we're discussing just before the break

737
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,020
Carolyn asked if something had happened

738
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:46,320
in your life that caused this Methodist

739
00:34:52,610 --> 00:34:49,170
minister that's that's Kevin everybody

740
00:34:55,850 --> 00:34:52,620
Methodist minister to suddenly drop his

741
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:55,860
robe and convert over to holding a

742
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:58,560
rosary and I understand I was a student

743
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:00,060
Methodist minister when I was going to

744
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:01,770
college that was a short interval it

745
00:35:08,350 --> 00:35:04,260
wasn't like long history of being one

746
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:08,360
but most of my life I was an Anglican

747
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:13,440
okay okay and but by the same token I

748
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,480
always had an almost a knowledge that

749
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,480
eventually I was going to be a Catholic

750
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:23,280
for real yeah I know I've never told you

751
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:27,060
that but yes always always I haven't

752
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,710
told that my business part I've known

753
00:35:32,510 --> 00:35:30,480
for 25 years yeah I'll take the last

754
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:32,520
right sooner or later but what I'm

755
00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:35,550
saying is I knew somehow instinctually

756
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:37,470
that yes I was gonna be a Catholic

757
00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:39,930
eventually and I always was drawn to

758
00:35:44,090 --> 00:35:42,360
Catholicism and I was always drawn to

759
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:44,100
the study of Marian apparitions and

760
00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:45,990
stuff because I knew one something had

761
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:51,240
validity and it did and it's but what

762
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:53,310
happened a year before like I say when I

763
00:35:55,850 --> 00:35:53,880
went up to new

764
00:36:02,540 --> 00:35:55,860
in 2008 I'd been a Catholic for a couple

765
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:02,550
years and what say circa 2004 2005 that

766
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:06,510
prompted me to do it was it was like I

767
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:08,010
was seeing the Virgin Mary everywhere I

768
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:11,070
come across almost unnaturally every ref

769
00:36:16,610 --> 00:36:13,140
I'm een references way out of the norm

770
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:16,620
okay and I you know and I thought okay

771
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:19,140
okay I'll check it out and that's what I

772
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:21,000
that's what and I started taking our CI

773
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:22,740
a class at the Catholic Church which is

774
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:25,260
you know the initiation of Christian

775
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:28,890
adults and that's what happened but yes

776
00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:31,310
it was something and very profound like

777
00:36:36,860 --> 00:36:34,020
seeing Mary every time I had a cup of

778
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:36,870
coffee or something and somebody was

779
00:36:41,180 --> 00:36:39,240
telling me something if you will and I

780
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:41,190
did I did follow it through and this was

781
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:44,970
kind of the confirmation I guess that I

782
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:47,820
was supposed to write this book and it

783
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:52,140
really is like I say this is it like

784
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:54,090
Martha and I talked about you'd think

785
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:56,970
that this would be as well studied a

786
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:00,720
thing as well as much evidence that

787
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:02,700
exists and is well authenticated if you

788
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:05,730
will an event these are you'd think this

789
00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:08,090
would be a subject of daily conversation

790
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,470
and the only time you ever hardly ever

791
00:37:15,260 --> 00:37:12,960
hear of it is you know somebody's think

792
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:15,270
they see a you know or a piece of toast

793
00:37:20,090 --> 00:37:17,910
that was on eBay and some laughable

794
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:20,100
thing or they'll see the image of the

795
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:22,290
Virgin Mary and some stained glass that

796
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:24,420
got discolored and you know that's just

797
00:37:29,180 --> 00:37:27,510
matrix seeing that's you know you and I

798
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:29,190
could stare some clouds and was it look

799
00:37:33,380 --> 00:37:30,690
like Heidi uh well it looks like a horse

800
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:33,390
yeah I think it looks like a dog or

801
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:34,380
something like that you know that's just

802
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:38,910
the mind the mind has a normal as

803
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:41,490
directed and to make patterns of things

804
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:43,980
if you yeah yeah but this isn't like

805
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:46,380
this this is clear-cut there she is it's

806
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:49,710
over boys that's it the Rose thing was

807
00:37:54,350 --> 00:37:51,960
not you know like just some wishy-washy

808
00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:54,360
notion this was powerful grabbed you by

809
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:56,820
the throat deal and after by the way up

810
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,010
back up a norrisville after I had the

811
00:38:03,860 --> 00:38:01,440
discussion with Carol I walked around

812
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:03,870
the roads issue would died out while I

813
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:06,770
was in the museum but as

814
00:38:11,590 --> 00:38:09,310
I was walking into the lie back to the

815
00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:11,600
car in the parking lot it was kind of

816
00:38:16,060 --> 00:38:12,980
had one more whiffed like a pat on the

817
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:16,070
head on the way out swift kick in the

818
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:19,010
pants to move on with your faith and get

819
00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:22,010
it going better but it's amazing what's

820
00:38:26,050 --> 00:38:23,020
offensive things

821
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:26,060
inspired person but I came back a year

822
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,970
later to just to do it on another trip

823
00:38:38,110 --> 00:38:30,800
up there and I was sniffing around like

824
00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:38,120
like a bloodhound that's funny I can

825
00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:39,710
understand wanted to recreate that

826
00:38:43,230 --> 00:38:41,540
because it's it's kind of like you know

827
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:43,240
it's something amazing happens to you

828
00:38:50,290 --> 00:38:46,730
it's you know it's not that you question

829
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:50,300
yourself it's not that it's just so far

830
00:38:56,740 --> 00:38:53,570
out there and it's so amazing you just

831
00:38:58,810 --> 00:38:56,750
want a little piece of it you know to

832
00:39:00,100 --> 00:38:58,820
share a little bit about you know where

833
00:39:02,110 --> 00:39:00,110
I'm coming from when it comes to these

834
00:39:05,010 --> 00:39:02,120
types of things you know I wrote my

835
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,020
first book the secret war in 97 and I

836
00:39:10,050 --> 00:39:07,520
was you know sending it out to all these

837
00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:10,060
different places and publishers who were

838
00:39:15,850 --> 00:39:13,120
authors of the paranormal themselves who

839
00:39:16,990 --> 00:39:15,860
also had publishing company so I was

840
00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:17,000
sending this book out and it was in

841
00:39:22,420 --> 00:39:19,430
regard to aliens and the first book on

842
00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:22,430
shadow people and you know just just

843
00:39:26,890 --> 00:39:24,260
trying to you know get somewhere with it

844
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:26,900
and and I you know took me two months to

845
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:28,730
write that book and four years to get it

846
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,010
published which was just god-awful in

847
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:32,720
the meantime I I have a sneaking

848
00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:34,430
suspicion some of the contents are being

849
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:36,440
leaked and shadow people that whatever

850
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:41,990
so anyways so I was like okay I I'd put

851
00:39:47,860 --> 00:39:45,170
something in there in regard to you know

852
00:39:50,110 --> 00:39:47,870
people claiming to see Jesus and you

853
00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:50,120
know a tree trunk or their piece of

854
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:52,070
toast or their cereal you know it was

855
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:54,530
just like it was ridiculous to me and

856
00:39:58,720 --> 00:39:56,570
and I had at that time I was

857
00:40:00,520 --> 00:39:58,730
experiencing so many things I'd seen

858
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:00,530
everything from shadow people to demonic

859
00:40:07,330 --> 00:40:03,920
to alien things and angelic beings and I

860
00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:07,340
even saw people in white robes and I'm

861
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:10,790
like gosh you know I I I was not you

862
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,970
know I was raised Methodist and my

863
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:16,160
family wasn't overly religious I think

864
00:40:20,410 --> 00:40:18,410
it was a holiday for my parents on

865
00:40:23,529 --> 00:40:20,420
Sundays to throw us to church

866
00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:23,539
they didn't go it just made sure we went

867
00:40:27,309 --> 00:40:25,670
sound like you know it was like a

868
00:40:30,130 --> 00:40:27,319
history lesson I was having to sit there

869
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,140
for so I I believe didn't god I believed

870
00:40:34,569 --> 00:40:32,720
in Jesus but I just didn't think like I

871
00:40:36,130 --> 00:40:34,579
had to do a whole a whole heck of a lot

872
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:36,140
you know towards it but I said my

873
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:37,970
prayers like routine and you know

874
00:40:42,579 --> 00:40:40,010
they're a cookie cutter is not feeling

875
00:40:45,759 --> 00:40:42,589
it was you know just repetitive stuff so

876
00:40:49,329 --> 00:40:45,769
I had put in that book you know regards

877
00:40:52,509 --> 00:40:49,339
to Jesus sightings you know like you

878
00:40:54,099 --> 00:40:52,519
know I honestly put in the book if Jesus

879
00:40:56,890 --> 00:40:54,109
were around I think I would have seen

880
00:40:59,170 --> 00:40:56,900
him by now because I felt inundated with

881
00:41:01,480 --> 00:40:59,180
so much at the time that I just felt

882
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:01,490
like you know what more could there be

883
00:41:06,460 --> 00:41:04,970
out there so I put that out I put that

884
00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:06,470
in the book I was just about to put that

885
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:10,670
book out when I had my first encounter

886
00:41:16,779 --> 00:41:14,569
with him and I took great pride in

887
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:16,789
teasing my friends who still went to

888
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:19,369
church on Sundays you know being young

889
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,170
and in college you know who takes time

890
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:23,119
out for church really I mean you take

891
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,250
time out to go to the clubs you know and

892
00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:27,680
have some fun and go dating and having a

893
00:41:31,749 --> 00:41:29,990
good old time I I was not a person that

894
00:41:33,099 --> 00:41:31,759
drink or anything but I did like to go

895
00:41:35,380 --> 00:41:33,109
out to dance and whatever hang out with

896
00:41:36,730 --> 00:41:35,390
my friends but it was just strange to me

897
00:41:38,259 --> 00:41:36,740
and I like you know I tell my friends

898
00:41:40,749 --> 00:41:38,269
they bring for me because I don't I

899
00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:40,759
don't know if you know if I stepped a

900
00:41:43,509 --> 00:41:41,990
foot in a church to probably start on

901
00:41:46,059 --> 00:41:43,519
fire or something because I haven't been

902
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:46,069
in one for so long and you know and then

903
00:41:51,099 --> 00:41:48,890
to have had the encounter that I did you

904
00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:51,109
know and I'm all I could say to my

905
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:54,230
friends is like wow Jesus is no joke you

906
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:56,450
know he's for real you know cuz it it

907
00:42:01,930 --> 00:41:58,970
hit me with such a reality and I had to

908
00:42:04,569 --> 00:42:01,940
rewrite that chapter in my book where I

909
00:42:06,339 --> 00:42:04,579
had bashed people essentially you know

910
00:42:08,589 --> 00:42:06,349
doubted that they had seen such a thing

911
00:42:09,789 --> 00:42:08,599
and changed my whole tune and people

912
00:42:12,549 --> 00:42:09,799
that knew me you know they were just

913
00:42:14,650 --> 00:42:12,559
like wow why do you you really must

914
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,660
experience something because you know

915
00:42:18,009 --> 00:42:16,400
right about now you'd be making fun of

916
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:18,019
me for going to church today you know

917
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:19,849
I'm like no no keep going send your

918
00:42:25,930 --> 00:42:22,460
friends tell everybody to go but the

919
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:25,940
thing for me though this is bizarre even

920
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,049
though I had the experience that I did I

921
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:30,079
didn't feel like I had to go to church

922
00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:34,310
to experience God Jesus I felt

923
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,350
quite confident in my faith that went up

924
00:42:41,020 --> 00:42:39,440
exponentially but I still I moved around

925
00:42:43,330 --> 00:42:41,030
too much and I was a busy college

926
00:42:45,340 --> 00:42:43,340
student it I just I didn't take time out

927
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:45,350
for the church thing and I still haven't

928
00:42:52,060 --> 00:42:49,760
but I am so faithful and I'm quite

929
00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:52,070
Christian you know and what I believe in

930
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,740
what I do so it's like but it's it's so

931
00:42:59,560 --> 00:42:56,960
precious those experiences you know I've

932
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,570
seen him five times now so well I hadn't

933
00:43:03,970 --> 00:43:02,240
seen him personally but it was kind of

934
00:43:06,850 --> 00:43:03,980
strange when I was a kid and I'm in a

935
00:43:10,180 --> 00:43:06,860
real young kid I

936
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,190
I sensed his presence around me and it

937
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:13,040
was kind of weird but I did and it went

938
00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:15,050
on for a long time and the thing that

939
00:43:22,450 --> 00:43:19,120
was strange was I saw a facebook

940
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:22,460
depiction of Jesus walking next to you

941
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,910
and that was the feel I used to have and

942
00:43:28,660 --> 00:43:27,440
I thought whoever drew that up was

943
00:43:31,570 --> 00:43:28,670
experiencing the same thing I

944
00:43:36,190 --> 00:43:31,580
experienced as a kid and it was kind of

945
00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:36,200
holy mackerel and my well I was a

946
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:39,260
minister early on but I you know I've

947
00:43:44,740 --> 00:43:42,650
always been pretty hard bitten and you

948
00:43:46,450 --> 00:43:44,750
know it was it yeah I did a they thought

949
00:43:49,180 --> 00:43:46,460
I'd be quite a successful minister and

950
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:49,190
all that but my ex-wife didn't want to

951
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:51,050
stay in the boonies up there and it was

952
00:43:56,020 --> 00:43:53,810
just the state you know I started going

953
00:43:58,660 --> 00:43:56,030
to marriage counseling and I okay okay

954
00:44:00,430 --> 00:43:58,670
lady we'll leave but what I'm saying is

955
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,440
which was crazy because she wanted extra

956
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,480
money so I used to slip off down to

957
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:04,640
Norfolk or Wilmington Delaware and sell

958
00:44:09,850 --> 00:44:07,130
stuff shipping tape and stuff on the

959
00:44:11,110 --> 00:44:09,860
side from my old company but in other

960
00:44:13,210 --> 00:44:11,120
words there's no placated her she just

961
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:13,220
want to be out there as a fishbowl

962
00:44:22,570 --> 00:44:16,730
atmosphere for a woman there's but

963
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,580
beyond that having experienced this so

964
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:25,280
strongly and there's other than half a

965
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:26,960
dozen other things that have happened in

966
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:30,410
the church since you know previous to

967
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:33,050
this experience like when I was going

968
00:44:37,690 --> 00:44:35,450
through that RCIA format that is an

969
00:44:41,710 --> 00:44:37,700
introduction to the church and you get

970
00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:41,720
confirmed after but you know year the

971
00:44:46,330 --> 00:44:44,390
first time I went to Mass you know I'm

972
00:44:47,940 --> 00:44:46,340
from the East Coast I know you know it

973
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:47,950
was two gothic looking churches and

974
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:51,760
uh-huh and and the one I go to so modern

975
00:44:56,339 --> 00:44:53,530
it could be a movie theater lobby in the

976
00:44:58,650 --> 00:44:56,349
front and I didn't I didn't recognize

977
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:58,660
the holy water found says such until I

978
00:45:03,089 --> 00:45:00,180
saw them you know where they were and

979
00:45:06,270 --> 00:45:03,099
you know so I go through the church and

980
00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:06,280
come out and I'm trying to beat the you

981
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:07,960
know beat the traffic there's twenty

982
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:09,190
five hundred people I'm trying to get

983
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:11,410
you know hit the car before the I gets a

984
00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:14,260
crowd and I crossed myself mechanically

985
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:15,550
with the holy water because that's what

986
00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:18,310
Catholics do and there's a tremendous

987
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:20,920
coldness to rush through my torso I mean

988
00:45:26,609 --> 00:45:24,160
strong I thought whoa this is different

989
00:45:28,109 --> 00:45:26,619
and it happened the first two times I

990
00:45:29,819 --> 00:45:28,119
went to that church and I told the

991
00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:29,829
deacon about it it was over the RCIA

992
00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:32,230
program and he said Kevin you're not the

993
00:45:37,319 --> 00:45:33,780
only one that's had that happened here

994
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:37,329
and it I mean and other small but very

995
00:45:41,339 --> 00:45:39,369
pleasant things I I guess I could tell

996
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:41,349
you the st. Patrick story - it seems a

997
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:45,060
perfectly but this was only like oh oh

998
00:45:50,849 --> 00:45:49,210
four months ago now I was early to mass

999
00:45:52,349 --> 00:45:50,859
and I didn't figure okay I'm gonna be

1000
00:45:54,030 --> 00:45:52,359
setting for an hour and I didn't want to

1001
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:54,040
sit another 20 minutes because you know

1002
00:45:58,140 --> 00:45:55,569
too much sitting so I thought I'd mill

1003
00:46:01,140 --> 00:45:58,150
around and then I had this strong notion

1004
00:46:02,490 --> 00:46:01,150
is go to the bookstore and then you know

1005
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,500
how you do you have a little internal

1006
00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:04,240
debate well I don't really need anything

1007
00:46:11,130 --> 00:46:07,270
I've got everything a fella could have

1008
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,140
and and it was like no go to the book

1009
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:14,079
store okay okay and as a matter and on

1010
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:15,369
the way over was like see if you can

1011
00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:18,040
find a st. Patrick's holy card and I

1012
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:19,750
thought well no here again you know I'm

1013
00:46:24,990 --> 00:46:22,030
really more of a Padre Pio or you know

1014
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Saint Bernadette guy not and just look

1015
00:46:31,140 --> 00:46:29,650
okay okay okay right I wind up and back

1016
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:31,150
of a woman and her daughter who were

1017
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:33,640
vexing the cashier about where the st.

1018
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:35,170
Patrick's multicards are and they can't

1019
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:36,490
find anything I'm thinking that wait a

1020
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:39,970
minute it's not for there's not only

1021
00:46:45,690 --> 00:46:42,630
been in the two times and then ten years

1022
00:46:48,380 --> 00:46:45,700
to that place where there's been anybody

1023
00:46:51,690 --> 00:46:48,390
even in front of me in the in line and

1024
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,700
to be asking and st. Patrick yes he's a

1025
00:46:58,380 --> 00:46:53,680
Catholic saint of stature but he's not

1026
00:46:59,880 --> 00:46:58,390
your typical patron saint if you will he

1027
00:47:01,720 --> 00:46:59,890
doesn't stand quite as tall as some

1028
00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:01,730
others and

1029
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:04,760
any rate that was not just a

1030
00:47:10,329 --> 00:47:07,250
happenstance experience that was bizarre

1031
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:10,339
and there is real that was a I was

1032
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:12,049
actually prayed for something similar

1033
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:13,609
like a you know how would you forget

1034
00:47:20,740 --> 00:47:16,910
about me or something that I got that so

1035
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:20,750
I was glad to get it but I my main

1036
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:26,510
problem is that I this I do really

1037
00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:29,390
believe very strong in the Catholic

1038
00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:31,880
Church and the church in general and all

1039
00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:36,140
this and I have to watch the rest of my

1040
00:47:39,730 --> 00:47:37,790
personality with trying to get in the

1041
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,740
way of the message like I was on a radio

1042
00:47:44,530 --> 00:47:41,599
show some three or four years ago and

1043
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:44,540
some guy starts smart-aleck me and I

1044
00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:46,910
start threatening to go out there

1045
00:47:51,069 --> 00:47:49,790
Marilyn didn't find you you know and you

1046
00:47:52,930 --> 00:47:51,079
know you can't I don't want to destroy

1047
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:52,940
the message with me being a hard case so

1048
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,650
because what I'm dealing with is holy

1049
00:47:59,140 --> 00:47:56,240
and precious and just because I'm an old

1050
00:48:02,200 --> 00:47:59,150
Buzzard it doesn't that's not the issue

1051
00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:02,210
and in other words you have to behave

1052
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:05,660
yourself when you're representing good

1053
00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:09,010
oh really I didn't know if you knew that

1054
00:48:18,970 --> 00:48:17,240
yes people don't know me and Kevon know

1055
00:48:22,690 --> 00:48:18,980
each other and I like to tease him so

1056
00:48:24,789 --> 00:48:22,700
there I'm just an old hard-bitten old

1057
00:48:29,099 --> 00:48:24,799
Buzzard and just I've been through a lot

1058
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,109
of unusual experiences if you will and

1059
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:32,000
you know I'm just an old martial artists

1060
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:34,910
and everything else I'm just not your

1061
00:48:40,329 --> 00:48:39,049
average guy but but it's but this is

1062
00:48:42,010 --> 00:48:40,339
something way beyond the little

1063
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,020
peculiarities of what kind of person you

1064
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:44,000
are this is the holy this is precious is

1065
00:48:50,170 --> 00:48:47,480
a serious business here and it really is

1066
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:50,180
remarkable that like this dr. Barth guy

1067
00:49:00,430 --> 00:48:55,130
was saying from TCU how Holly how people

1068
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:00,440
just are ignorant of it yeah and also go

1069
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:01,040
ahead I'm sorry

1070
00:49:06,370 --> 00:49:05,210
well yeah it's it's just curious there's

1071
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:06,380
a there's something that's being

1072
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:07,520
mentioned here in the chatroom and want

1073
00:49:10,839 --> 00:49:08,480
to mention to you but go ahead and

1074
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:10,849
finish your thought on that well okay

1075
00:49:15,550 --> 00:49:13,190
just one quick thing is the the biggest

1076
00:49:18,220 --> 00:49:15,560
and we could deal the details later but

1077
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:18,230
the largest as far as number of

1078
00:49:23,410 --> 00:49:21,650
witnesses of these events was between 68

1079
00:49:25,870 --> 00:49:23,420
and 70 like I've mentioned in situ in

1080
00:49:28,510 --> 00:49:25,880
Egypt and that was in front of a st.

1081
00:49:32,740 --> 00:49:28,520
Mark's Coptic Church there and that's an

1082
00:49:34,450 --> 00:49:32,750
Eastern Orthodox and most Catholics are

1083
00:49:36,130 --> 00:49:34,460
not even familiar with that even though

1084
00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:36,140
the Vatican investigated it because

1085
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:38,870
didn't fall in the category of the you

1086
00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:41,210
know one of their domains if you will

1087
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:45,380
and in other words that's their I have

1088
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:48,170
Orthodox apparitions and Marian

1089
00:49:54,190 --> 00:49:50,810
apparitions are real and that's the

1090
00:49:55,870 --> 00:49:54,200
Eastern Orthodox tradition and most

1091
00:49:58,740 --> 00:49:55,880
Catholics don't know about the Roman

1092
00:50:00,970 --> 00:49:58,750
Catholics don't know about those either

1093
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:00,980
so I mean there's a lot of it a lot of

1094
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,690
people aren't aware of a lot of these

1095
00:50:06,550 --> 00:50:04,160
things I just thought I'd throw that in

1096
00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:06,560
yeah no no you know what do you think

1097
00:50:11,590 --> 00:50:08,390
about this debate because I've heard

1098
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,600
this for years and I honestly at one

1099
00:50:14,830 --> 00:50:13,520
point jumped on this bandwagon and

1100
00:50:18,910 --> 00:50:14,840
thinking the same thing at one point

1101
00:50:22,750 --> 00:50:18,920
that Mary was potentially an alien

1102
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:22,760
abductee that you know Jesus was you

1103
00:50:30,130 --> 00:50:26,990
know this you know good hybrid alien and

1104
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:30,140
you know what's your thought well nori

1105
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:31,490
and I George Noory when I wrote this

1106
00:50:39,580 --> 00:50:34,210
book I was on the coast of coast and

1107
00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:39,590
2010 August and 2010 and you know nori

1108
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:42,350
kept coming up this alien bilge yeah

1109
00:50:49,390 --> 00:50:46,670
yeah yeah and okay I don't think much of

1110
00:50:51,790 --> 00:50:49,400
it no I think they don't have anything

1111
00:50:53,620 --> 00:50:51,800
do the aliens the aliens aren't trying

1112
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:53,630
to imitate the Virgin Mary that's been

1113
00:50:58,300 --> 00:50:56,210
going on for two thousand years and the

1114
00:51:00,610 --> 00:50:58,310
aliens aren't trying to get me to go buy

1115
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:00,620
a st. Patrick's holy card or smell roses

1116
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:03,040
up there in orys Ville New York I mean

1117
00:51:10,350 --> 00:51:07,490
come on in other words what I'm saying

1118
00:51:12,610 --> 00:51:10,360
is a lot of these shows and a lot of

1119
00:51:14,860 --> 00:51:12,620
phenomenology things are tied up with

1120
00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:14,870
UFOs so they see UFOs coming up out of

1121
00:51:22,090 --> 00:51:19,150
the toilet if you will and oh yeah I

1122
00:51:23,950 --> 00:51:22,100
mean it's just is it's just it's it's

1123
00:51:25,660 --> 00:51:23,960
another word nor he was doing it to the

1124
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:25,670
point where I would say listen ace I

1125
00:51:29,380 --> 00:51:27,650
don't know what game you're playing but

1126
00:51:32,860 --> 00:51:29,390
I think you don't it's not real

1127
00:51:37,210 --> 00:51:32,870
funny you're gonna call George ace yeah

1128
00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:37,220
yeah that's it

1129
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:41,020
chump or buddy isn't it yes okay but

1130
00:51:46,930 --> 00:51:43,730
maybe I was trying to be pleasant about

1131
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:46,940
what I call him but but what I'm saying

1132
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:49,520
is it's it's in other words it's to me

1133
00:51:55,630 --> 00:51:52,910
it's like you know I get the reason he

1134
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,640
was trying to inflict this on me is that

1135
00:51:59,890 --> 00:51:57,440
in several Marian apparitions it has

1136
00:52:04,360 --> 00:51:59,900
seemed like she came in a like at Fatima

1137
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:04,370
like she came in a globe of light well

1138
00:52:08,530 --> 00:52:06,530
so what I mean how are you supposed to

1139
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:08,540
come from heaven and the Jaguar I mean

1140
00:52:13,090 --> 00:52:11,090
how does Nouri know that doesn't mean

1141
00:52:16,990 --> 00:52:13,100
there was a UFO doesn't anything to do

1142
00:52:19,150 --> 00:52:17,000
with stinking UFOs right but but that

1143
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,160
show was so wrapped up with UFOs that

1144
00:52:24,490 --> 00:52:22,160
they see UFOs coming out of the subway

1145
00:52:28,660 --> 00:52:24,500
sandwich I mean it just in other words

1146
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:28,670
it's it's stretching things and and

1147
00:52:32,530 --> 00:52:30,890
there's been many different I mean you

1148
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:32,540
got understand in the book Marian

1149
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:34,910
apparitions a real that's available

1150
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:38,240
actually at Kevin Cooke show calm as are

1151
00:52:45,580 --> 00:52:44,240
your books what well there's a chapter

1152
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:45,590
there's something I got in the back

1153
00:52:51,010 --> 00:52:48,770
that's a chart of Marian apparitions

1154
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:51,020
just from the year 1900 through the

1155
00:52:55,180 --> 00:52:53,570
current day you know a little over a

1156
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:55,190
hundred years and there's over well over

1157
00:52:58,090 --> 00:52:56,690
a hundred apparitions that are listed

1158
00:52:59,800 --> 00:52:58,100
and by the way that they've occurred

1159
00:53:02,110 --> 00:52:59,810
that frequently throughout the 2,000

1160
00:53:05,230 --> 00:53:02,120
years so in total the church is aware of

1161
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:05,240
at least 3,000 to 3,000 apparitions

1162
00:53:09,790 --> 00:53:07,970
angry that said that's compiled by the

1163
00:53:13,090 --> 00:53:09,800
International Marion Research Institute

1164
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,100
they allowed me to use that replicate

1165
00:53:18,450 --> 00:53:15,920
that chart in the back of the book but

1166
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,460
and also by the way the book was on the

1167
00:53:22,210 --> 00:53:20,480
bibliography for the International

1168
00:53:24,250 --> 00:53:22,220
Marion Research Institute that's part of

1169
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:24,260
the University of Dayton it's the main

1170
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:26,690
research group that deals with this

1171
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,010
issue for the church and it was in other

1172
00:53:35,830 --> 00:53:33,440
words it was it was reviewed

1173
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:35,840
academically and in other words there's

1174
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:39,310
a feather in its cap if you will and

1175
00:53:48,730 --> 00:53:42,770
academically approved and what I'm

1176
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:48,740
saying is idea well there's a very few

1177
00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:50,450
of these apparitions that he would even

1178
00:53:58,660 --> 00:53:54,470
have any any analogy at all to UFOs that

1179
00:54:00,930 --> 00:53:58,670
I mean UFOs are one little sand you know

1180
00:54:06,490 --> 00:54:00,940
pebble of sand on the beach if you will

1181
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:06,500
and there does seem to be well what has

1182
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:12,490
theoretical physicists there are many

1183
00:54:18,730 --> 00:54:14,090
dimensions okay

1184
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:18,740
and when Jesus said he went at one point

1185
00:54:23,170 --> 00:54:20,510
the Bible says he went to Tartarus and

1186
00:54:24,820 --> 00:54:23,180
that was another dimension it wasn't you

1187
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:24,830
know a town it was another dimension

1188
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,850
because he's going to deal with some

1189
00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:27,440
demons that were held prisoner and

1190
00:54:31,540 --> 00:54:29,540
Tartarus that whatever that is it's

1191
00:54:32,980 --> 00:54:31,550
another dimension ain't here there's a

1192
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:32,990
there's a whole lot of complexity out

1193
00:54:36,910 --> 00:54:34,670
there and I knew a phos I think what I'm

1194
00:54:39,550 --> 00:54:36,920
saying or just one aspect of that

1195
00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:39,560
complexity yeah you know when I hear

1196
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:41,630
about you know people thinking uh you

1197
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:43,910
know Mary was just abducted and all this

1198
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,890
stuff now from what I have gathered and

1199
00:54:53,590 --> 00:54:51,200
and the information that I I had you

1200
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:53,600
know in encounters and interactions with

1201
00:54:57,940 --> 00:54:55,370
the different alien beings

1202
00:55:01,840 --> 00:54:57,950
oddly enough and it's what I based my

1203
00:55:04,780 --> 00:55:01,850
book the secret war on and and what they

1204
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:04,790
told me about alien hybrids and those

1205
00:55:11,650 --> 00:55:07,730
that have been abducted it's the

1206
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:11,660
equivalent of a demonic activity and

1207
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:14,570
creating these hybrid beings as being

1208
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:16,850
essentially minions of them

1209
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:19,280
minions negative missions that are here

1210
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:22,610
to take over and do horrible things I am

1211
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:25,910
like whoa there you know that in having

1212
00:55:29,710 --> 00:55:28,730
witnessed and seen a hybrid and that was

1213
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:29,720
up to no good

1214
00:55:36,610 --> 00:55:32,690
and you know it's like you know oh gosh

1215
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:36,620
to equate Mary and Jesus it's it's so

1216
00:55:41,860 --> 00:55:38,750
just the opposite of what I've

1217
00:55:44,890 --> 00:55:41,870
experienced and then and and others that

1218
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,900
have been experiencing I mean people get

1219
00:55:50,290 --> 00:55:46,880
ripped from their homes they get raped

1220
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:50,300
they get implanted with a with a kid or

1221
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:52,010
you know and and then they're giving

1222
00:55:56,589 --> 00:55:54,250
birth to these horrific looking things

1223
00:55:59,519 --> 00:55:56,599
sometimes they look pretty human

1224
00:56:02,709 --> 00:55:59,529
and then these things go on and carry on

1225
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,719
living here on the earth because their

1226
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:05,119
bodies can withstand the earth unlike

1227
00:56:09,219 --> 00:56:06,799
their little weak bodies you know these

1228
00:56:11,229 --> 00:56:09,229
things are half-human half-alien so they

1229
00:56:13,569 --> 00:56:11,239
can live upon the earth and yet be under

1230
00:56:15,069 --> 00:56:13,579
their control to do their bidding and

1231
00:56:16,839 --> 00:56:15,079
and I'm sorry but the only abductions

1232
00:56:19,870 --> 00:56:16,849
are not for the good yes there are

1233
00:56:21,999 --> 00:56:19,880
really really good beings out there and

1234
00:56:24,009 --> 00:56:22,009
I was fortunate enough to have you know

1235
00:56:26,589 --> 00:56:24,019
dealt with the more positive ones that

1236
00:56:29,049 --> 00:56:26,599
spoke of Jesus being who he said he was

1237
00:56:31,749 --> 00:56:29,059
and you know God being real and you know

1238
00:56:34,089 --> 00:56:31,759
there are bad aliens and you know and

1239
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:34,099
you know there's a there's static going

1240
00:56:38,049 --> 00:56:35,839
on between some different alien beings

1241
00:56:39,699 --> 00:56:38,059
so it needs to be you know they're you

1242
00:56:42,819 --> 00:56:39,709
know everybody's afraid that we're gonna

1243
00:56:44,439 --> 00:56:42,829
insult aliens I think you know like oh

1244
00:56:46,359 --> 00:56:44,449
people don't know how to act you know

1245
00:56:48,759 --> 00:56:46,369
because it an alien comes along and

1246
00:56:51,789 --> 00:56:48,769
they're all good no there's some rotten

1247
00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:51,799
lowdown ones out there too that are I'm

1248
00:56:58,469 --> 00:56:54,140
sure that responds to the name Jesus and

1249
00:57:02,589 --> 00:57:01,029
if Jesus is one of theirs they wouldn't

1250
00:57:02,949 --> 00:57:02,599
run from his name that's all mistake but

1251
00:57:05,439 --> 00:57:02,959
go ahead

1252
00:57:06,999 --> 00:57:05,449
oh yeah but I mean that's like I say nor

1253
00:57:07,299 --> 00:57:07,009
II was getting to be a bit tedious with

1254
00:57:09,969 --> 00:57:07,309
it

1255
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:09,979
and and I you know I just about had a

1256
00:57:16,269 --> 00:57:12,559
belly full of it but I mean it's funny

1257
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:16,279
what got me once well more than once but

1258
00:57:20,469 --> 00:57:18,049
I mean like I say the guy that was

1259
00:57:22,959 --> 00:57:20,479
irritating me from Maryland I mean he's

1260
00:57:24,759 --> 00:57:22,969
calling me like a crock basically and I

1261
00:57:27,909 --> 00:57:24,769
figured look all my stuff is researched

1262
00:57:29,729 --> 00:57:27,919
with the statements photos blah blah

1263
00:57:32,499 --> 00:57:29,739
blah blah blah I mean academically

1264
00:57:35,759 --> 00:57:32,509
research this isn't I mean it's a very

1265
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:35,769
readable book it contains 20 odd

1266
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:38,569
apparitional accounts and I took the

1267
00:57:42,399 --> 00:57:40,729
ones that were just letter perfect that

1268
00:57:45,370 --> 00:57:42,409
you know very well authenticated and

1269
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:45,380
it's got all kinds of photos on the one

1270
00:57:48,849 --> 00:57:47,209
the photo on the book is actually taken

1271
00:57:53,229 --> 00:57:48,859
from magic or you know we're getting

1272
00:57:54,669 --> 00:57:53,239
close to the break I guess I know a

1273
00:57:55,899 --> 00:57:54,679
couple of weeks a couple of minutes

1274
00:57:58,329 --> 00:57:55,909
listen to me I'm sitting here reading

1275
00:58:00,249 --> 00:57:58,339
something well what it is on the book is

1276
00:58:03,069 --> 00:58:00,259
it's a photo I got from a lady in the

1277
00:58:04,959 --> 00:58:03,079
church and it's a picture of a mountain

1278
00:58:06,959 --> 00:58:04,969
with a tree on it and a silhouette of

1279
00:58:10,030 --> 00:58:06,969
the Virgin Mary in the background and

1280
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:10,040
her she and another lady had gone to

1281
00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:13,520
on a pilgrimage and this lady had taken

1282
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:15,950
the photo about pod Pro which is where

1283
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:18,200
the apparitions occurred and all she was

1284
00:58:22,930 --> 00:58:20,570
taking a photo was the hill and the you

1285
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:22,940
know the the site if you will and when

1286
00:58:26,830 --> 00:58:25,130
the photo was developed this the image

1287
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:26,840
of the Virgin Mary was on the back of it

1288
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:28,850
and this was there was no chicane or he

1289
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:30,710
nobody made any money on this or nothing

1290
00:58:32,860 --> 00:58:31,310
like that

1291
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:32,870
anyway the woman who I was writing a

1292
00:58:36,460 --> 00:58:34,730
book on it Marian apparitions and that's

1293
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:36,470
on the front of this book and it's it's

1294
00:58:41,590 --> 00:58:39,170
a miraculous event is what it is that's

1295
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:41,600
pretty cool well you know um you know

1296
00:58:45,610 --> 00:58:43,250
there's some interesting conversations

1297
00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:45,620
and questions being posted again here in

1298
00:58:48,010 --> 00:58:46,700
the chair and they're really active

1299
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:48,020
tonight Kevin they're just anxious to

1300
00:58:53,140 --> 00:58:50,240
ask you stuff boy my goodness I'm

1301
00:58:55,420 --> 00:58:53,150
getting tons of them but you know a lot

1302
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:55,430
of things do get tossed up in the church

1303
00:58:59,200 --> 00:58:57,650
where it's like when you see something

1304
00:59:00,460 --> 00:58:59,210
they you know even when I have mentioned

1305
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:00,470
obviously in juicers I've had these

1306
00:59:05,590 --> 00:59:03,440
experiences did you did you test the the

1307
00:59:07,150 --> 00:59:05,600
spirit did you make sure it wasn't false

1308
00:59:09,820 --> 00:59:07,160
so we want to get into that conversation

1309
00:59:10,990 --> 00:59:09,830
when we get over this break here are you

1310
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:11,000
guys you're listening to me how do you

1311
00:59:44,460 --> 00:59:12,650
help us the Outlander an inception radio

1312
00:59:53,770 --> 00:59:47,500
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1313
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,780
Network superior Wisconsin hi this is

1314
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:55,520
Heidi howís and I wanted to share with

1315
00:59:59,440 --> 00:59:57,650
you guys a little bit about myself in my

1316
01:00:02,470 --> 00:59:59,450
writings because I am a published author

1317
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:02,480
I brought on everything from angels to

1318
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:06,110
aliens ghosts demons shadow people so I

1319
01:00:09,850 --> 01:00:07,910
don't know you name it I do it and I

1320
01:00:12,210 --> 01:00:09,860
would like to invite you to go check out

1321
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:12,220
my main a website which is Heidi Hollis

1322
01:00:17,140 --> 01:00:15,530
calm which shows oh my goodness all my

1323
01:00:19,810 --> 01:00:17,150
books and I think you guys will dig it

1324
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:19,820
Jesus is no joke which is about Holy

1325
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:22,130
encounters with Jesus which is actually

1326
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:24,530
quite different than what you might

1327
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more about Heidi

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to ghosts demons agency from shadow

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people to the Outlands party houses the

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welcome back everybody you listen to me

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Heidi house at the outlander here on

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01:04:15,180 --> 01:04:12,580
Kevin cook we are talking about Marian

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01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:15,190
apparitions which is what has because

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01:04:20,970 --> 01:04:17,680
this book is based on block I swear to

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01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:20,980
God and this before the break her

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01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:24,850
talking about you know discernment

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01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:27,730
people who say you know like when I've

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01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:30,160
I've even shared I've seen Jesus five

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01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:32,230
times and they're like did you test the

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01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:35,260
spirit did you you know make certain of

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01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:37,750
what you're seeing you know and so

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01:04:41,580 --> 01:04:39,310
somebody asked that you know does a

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01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:41,590
person how do they tell the difference

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01:04:45,900 --> 01:04:44,140
between what's a real apparition and a

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01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:45,910
false I I know what you're saying I know

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01:04:48,290 --> 01:04:47,770
which and also the Marian thing in

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01:04:51,930 --> 01:04:48,300
general

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01:04:54,990 --> 01:04:51,940
let me just say this and I ruffle a few

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01:04:58,110 --> 01:04:55,000
feathers I really don't care but what

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01:05:01,610 --> 01:04:58,120
I'm saying is there has been criticism

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01:05:05,070 --> 01:05:01,620
of Mary and revering her by the

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01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:05,080
Protestant types that don't even know

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01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:12,130
their own Bible because well in Luke a

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01:05:18,060 --> 01:05:15,730
lot of the praise for Mary says you know

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01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:18,070
forever people will call you blessed and

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01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:18,610
all that

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01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,670
now if Mary was like some Episcopal

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01:05:25,050 --> 01:05:23,440
priest once said like somebody like your

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01:05:26,340 --> 01:05:25,060
aunt Phyllis down the road they wouldn't

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01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:26,350
be calling her blessed through all

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01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:28,510
eternity right and this is their own

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01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:30,130
Bible and they're ignorant of their own

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01:05:36,090 --> 01:05:31,990
Bible and others the other allusions to

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01:05:37,950 --> 01:05:36,100
Mary in the bottle so she's not and all

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01:05:40,140 --> 01:05:37,960
her activities she doesn't go into

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01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:40,150
business for herself or you know she's

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01:05:45,690 --> 01:05:41,530
not trying to have people worship her

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01:05:48,060 --> 01:05:45,700
per se in other words I'm sitting here

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01:05:50,250 --> 01:05:48,070
knocking pins and all this Protestant BS

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01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:50,260
about you know you know revering Mary's

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01:05:56,610 --> 01:05:53,440
bed and I'm trying to it as

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01:05:59,760 --> 01:05:56,620
diplomatically as I can but what I'm

1438
01:06:02,070 --> 01:05:59,770
saying is it's idiotic to look at it

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01:06:04,530 --> 01:06:02,080
that way and to test the spirits I mean

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01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:04,540
Mary is not saying go worship Satan or

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01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:06,370
worship me or anything even close to

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01:06:09,090 --> 01:06:06,730
that

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01:06:11,610 --> 01:06:09,100
her whole mission is always to mention

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01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:11,620
coming to her son and then this and that

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01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:13,690
and you know and mentioning in in

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01:06:18,380 --> 01:06:15,510
liaison Jesus

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01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:18,390
fact Jesus is a frequent visitor at

1448
01:06:27,290 --> 01:06:20,730
these Marian apparitions himself like it

1449
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:27,300
Rwanda in in the 90s and what I'm saying

1450
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:31,890
is truly this is a decent and divine

1451
01:06:40,490 --> 01:06:35,570
experience and get this it's funny how

1452
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:40,500
things kind of go in to fall in line

1453
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:41,910
when you're doing something like this

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01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:45,450
okay yeah I had a there's a very major

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01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:48,420
bank I had a little conflict with and I

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01:06:53,090 --> 01:06:50,310
was gonna sue them and you know blah

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01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:53,100
blah blah and they mishandled my assets

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01:06:59,930 --> 01:06:56,730
and blah blah blah blah so you know I

1459
01:07:02,830 --> 01:06:59,940
threatened them that surely with you

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01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:02,840
know terrible things like lawsuits and

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01:07:08,090 --> 01:07:05,610
TV program appearances and everything

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01:07:10,060 --> 01:07:08,100
else and the vice president Frisco said

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01:07:13,580 --> 01:07:10,070
get rid of this guy get rid of this guy

1464
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:13,590
so I ran across this reason to all this

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01:07:17,540 --> 01:07:15,930
I I ran across the local manager who's

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:17,550
gonna play Kate me and negotiate a

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01:07:24,860 --> 01:07:23,130
settlement with these people and you

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01:07:26,270 --> 01:07:24,870
know he was a Catholic too and we got

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01:07:27,530 --> 01:07:26,280
past the settlement part we were I was

1470
01:07:30,980 --> 01:07:27,540
talking about the book was coming out a

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01:07:35,060 --> 01:07:30,990
couple months and all this and he said

1472
01:07:38,060 --> 01:07:35,070
that he was from the you know New Mexico

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01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:38,070
area and he knew people that examine are

1474
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:39,870
you familiar with the the image of Our

1475
01:07:45,110 --> 01:07:43,050
Lady of Guadalupe yes okay a lot of

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01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:45,120
people of Latin Americans or Hispanics

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01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:46,710
will have that on the back of their

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01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:49,730
trucks and all this that depiction is

1479
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:53,880
from a cactus husk garment that has been

1480
01:08:00,200 --> 01:07:57,680
in constant search custody since 1531

1481
01:08:02,330 --> 01:08:00,210
it's on display right now at the

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01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:02,340
Basilica of Guadalupe in Mexico City

1483
01:08:07,460 --> 01:08:04,680
they have 20 million visitors see it a

1484
01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:07,470
year it's in pristine condition now

1485
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:10,110
Heidi get this here's where things get

1486
01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:15,000
really quite been impressive this guy I

1487
01:08:21,860 --> 01:08:18,060
knew that from almost said the name of

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01:08:24,170 --> 01:08:21,870
the bank I'm not supposed to he he knew

1489
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:24,180
engineers from Sandia Labs that had

1490
01:08:29,670 --> 01:08:27,089
examined elements of this cactus husk

1491
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:29,680
garment Heidi there is no

1492
01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:31,570
the image of the Virgin Mary has no

1493
01:08:38,340 --> 01:08:34,870
pigment in the cactus husks we yes we

1494
01:08:40,110 --> 01:08:38,350
could not duplicate that today today

1495
01:08:41,220 --> 01:08:40,120
with today's technology couldn't do it

1496
01:08:44,190 --> 01:08:41,230
cuz there have to be pigment

1497
01:08:46,230 --> 01:08:44,200
there's no pigment no places so what how

1498
01:08:49,380 --> 01:08:46,240
are they saying this thing got made then

1499
01:08:52,740 --> 01:08:49,390
they have no idea I'm looking at it

1500
01:08:54,210 --> 01:08:52,750
online right now they have no idea but

1501
01:08:56,580 --> 01:08:54,220
I'm just saying this fellow just first

1502
01:08:58,110 --> 01:08:56,590
hand so I got it secondhand actually

1503
01:09:00,330 --> 01:08:58,120
talked the engineers in Sandia Labs they

1504
01:09:01,890 --> 01:09:00,340
were completely gobsmacked had no idea

1505
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:01,900
they couldn't replicate it if you had a

1506
01:09:07,050 --> 01:09:05,290
45 to their head couldn't do it and also

1507
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:07,060
think about this too just forgetting the

1508
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:09,130
image and also there's other aspects of

1509
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:11,370
the image I'll talk about a minute but

1510
01:09:15,750 --> 01:09:14,110
look look look if you and I took some

1511
01:09:17,610 --> 01:09:15,760
cactus husks just for the heck of it

1512
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:17,620
third in the shoebox and put in the

1513
01:09:20,970 --> 01:09:19,450
closet and stay there for twenty years

1514
01:09:24,990 --> 01:09:20,980
do you think it's gonna look just fine

1515
01:09:26,670 --> 01:09:25,000
when we pull him back out no it's gonna

1516
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:26,680
be dust okay

1517
01:09:32,190 --> 01:09:29,440
okay this garment has only been up

1518
01:09:35,250 --> 01:09:32,200
behind glass for the last 150 years of

1519
01:09:37,860 --> 01:09:35,260
the five hundred three hundred fifty

1520
01:09:41,610 --> 01:09:37,870
years it was exposed to humidity cold

1521
01:09:45,020 --> 01:09:41,620
heat it's the normal things that you

1522
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:45,030
biggest posed to in the environment and

1523
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:47,650
it's still in pristine condition that's

1524
01:09:52,380 --> 01:09:49,170
a miracle in and of itself

1525
01:09:54,570 --> 01:09:52,390
yeah that's pretty that's pretty

1526
01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:54,580
interesting I mean the the facts are

1527
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:57,310
what they are and like you said you know

1528
01:10:02,100 --> 01:09:59,440
I think probably the the coolest one

1529
01:10:05,220 --> 01:10:02,110
that you've told me about was the

1530
01:10:06,750 --> 01:10:05,230
sightings in Egypt and how you know the

1531
01:10:08,970 --> 01:10:06,760
government was like this crap isn't

1532
01:10:10,980 --> 01:10:08,980
gonna go on you know this image of Mary

1533
01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:10,990
was seen walking at the top of this

1534
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:13,150
building or was it what was it a church

1535
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:15,130
or Cathedral it was st. Mark's campus

1536
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,490
st. Mark's Coptic Church in Egypt people

1537
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:20,880
have got to look it up the images are

1538
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:23,890
unbelievable and you know so they would

1539
01:10:28,730 --> 01:10:26,710
like send people to go and you know see

1540
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:28,740
the hoaxsters that we're creating this

1541
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:31,090
government the government was a Muslim

1542
01:10:37,770 --> 01:10:35,040
government of course and what they did

1543
01:10:41,690 --> 01:10:37,780
Nasser was the strongman dictator at the

1544
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:41,700
time and he sent Special Forces troops

1545
01:10:46,020 --> 01:10:42,880
door-to-door

1546
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:46,030
to door a mile square around that church

1547
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:47,679
you see if it was some kind of

1548
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:50,290
projection or whatever and understand -

1549
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:52,960
this is Egypt in 68 I mean come on they

1550
01:10:58,530 --> 01:10:54,610
don't have any holographic we barely

1551
01:11:01,020 --> 01:10:58,540
have them now but certainly in Egypt you

1552
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:01,030
know almost 50 years ago they didn't

1553
01:11:06,959 --> 01:11:03,760
have them no and as a matter of fact

1554
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:06,969
after their investigation to their

1555
01:11:11,939 --> 01:11:10,570
credit they said yes the government you

1556
01:11:13,740 --> 01:11:11,949
know the government has checked it out

1557
01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:13,750
and that was a vision of the Virgin Mary

1558
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:16,150
period and quote and that's what the

1559
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:19,570
Egyptian Muslim government said yes all

1560
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,370
right I mean that's just that's

1561
01:11:25,169 --> 01:11:23,440
mind-blowing and I mean that and this

1562
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,179
went on for a long time these sightings

1563
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:27,040
two years two years two years three to

1564
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:29,199
five times a week and they had as many

1565
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:30,850
as a quarter million people in that

1566
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,000
church square at any given time during

1567
01:11:39,620 --> 01:11:35,920
the sightings the Vatican of course

1568
01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:39,630
investigated New York Times Paris Match

1569
01:11:44,729 --> 01:11:42,310
stern it's a German version of Time

1570
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:44,739
magazine if you will or that you know

1571
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:46,810
that that kind of magazine and Time

1572
01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:48,489
magazine of course did - I mean this was

1573
01:11:54,030 --> 01:11:50,710
as true Heidi as the hand on the end of

1574
01:11:56,010 --> 01:11:54,040
your arm really that's true I mean

1575
01:11:57,959 --> 01:11:56,020
that's it's just I think it's just

1576
01:12:00,240 --> 01:11:57,969
awesome I mean it if you brought all

1577
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:00,250
this into court a judge would have to

1578
01:12:04,290 --> 01:12:02,080
hit the gavel say okay case closed this

1579
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:04,300
is true I mean that you can't fight this

1580
01:12:08,879 --> 01:12:06,690
I mean you know you come up with all the

1581
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:08,889
double-talk snickering and all this

1582
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:13,360
stuff and but I mean my golly Heidi I

1583
01:12:16,979 --> 01:12:15,370
mean you're talking the the images

1584
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:16,989
you're talking about that you see no the

1585
01:12:24,570 --> 01:12:20,080
computer were on Arab television 14

1586
01:12:26,580 --> 01:12:24,580
million people saw that Wow an untold

1587
01:12:31,169 --> 01:12:26,590
numbers saw him in the street on a

1588
01:12:34,140 --> 01:12:31,179
weekly basis right that's amazing and

1589
01:12:36,750 --> 01:12:34,150
even if you're not of that belief you

1590
01:12:39,780 --> 01:12:36,760
know of you know the Catholicism I mean

1591
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:39,790
that I mean you have to take it in for

1592
01:12:44,580 --> 01:12:41,530
what it is because it's right there I

1593
01:12:48,209 --> 01:12:44,590
mean the pictures are amazing they're

1594
01:12:50,430 --> 01:12:48,219
amazing they are and don't forget the

1595
01:12:53,340 --> 01:12:50,440
other another major one that most people

1596
01:12:56,170 --> 01:12:53,350
are familiar with is Fatima in 1917 oh

1597
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:56,180
that I was gonna ask you about that

1598
01:13:01,210 --> 01:12:57,440
I was gonna ask you about that because

1599
01:13:02,770 --> 01:13:01,220
it's it became such a secret of what you

1600
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:02,780
know what was the information ever

1601
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:05,810
revealed of Fatima I mean well the Third

1602
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:09,440
Secret of Fatima I know I know and well

1603
01:13:17,620 --> 01:13:15,410
okay just as a brief synopsis the Virgin

1604
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:17,630
Mary started appearing to three peasant

1605
01:13:26,460 --> 01:13:22,610
children and rural Portugal and this was

1606
01:13:31,780 --> 01:13:26,470
during the World War one period and

1607
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:31,790
sister Lucia lu-lu CIA was the primary

1608
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:34,570
one that had her face with Mary and

1609
01:13:40,210 --> 01:13:37,130
actually talked to her and what happened

1610
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:40,220
was she started appearing on a weekly

1611
01:13:44,380 --> 01:13:42,770
basis to these children and crowd

1612
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:44,390
started fearing more crowds and more

1613
01:13:49,540 --> 01:13:47,090
crowds and you know at its culmination

1614
01:13:52,030 --> 01:13:49,550
in October if I remember correctly in

1615
01:13:53,530 --> 01:13:52,040
1917 there was a hundred thousand people

1616
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:53,540
when they had the dance of the Sun and

1617
01:14:00,490 --> 01:13:56,480
all that and this was foretold you know

1618
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:00,500
Mary told Lucia to tell the people that

1619
01:14:03,310 --> 01:14:01,970
there was this was going to happen you

1620
01:14:06,190 --> 01:14:03,320
know miraculous events were going to

1621
01:14:07,150 --> 01:14:06,200
happen etc that they believed and they

1622
01:14:09,790 --> 01:14:07,160
had I get this

1623
01:14:12,130 --> 01:14:09,800
the crowd was infiltrated with a lot of

1624
01:14:15,250 --> 01:14:12,140
people from the government because at

1625
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:15,260
the time the Portuguese government was a

1626
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:16,130
socialist government

1627
01:14:21,850 --> 01:14:18,610
it used the church's it's whipping boy

1628
01:14:25,450 --> 01:14:21,860
as say the church was an endorser of the

1629
01:14:27,550 --> 01:14:25,460
status quo if you will and you know kind

1630
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:27,560
of anti-socialist kind of type at that

1631
01:14:30,190 --> 01:14:28,610
you know at the time or at least they

1632
01:14:31,630 --> 01:14:30,200
were identified as such they were

1633
01:14:34,210 --> 01:14:31,640
identified with the establishment and

1634
01:14:37,570 --> 01:14:34,220
maybe with good reason but whatever but

1635
01:14:40,150 --> 01:14:37,580
they were at he Church in other words

1636
01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:40,160
they're trying very hard to prove the

1637
01:14:45,610 --> 01:14:43,100
children to be deceitful or find some

1638
01:14:50,230 --> 01:14:45,620
con involved in there and all that no

1639
01:14:53,050 --> 01:14:50,240
they threatened them all this okay no

1640
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:53,060
one after this event after they

1641
01:14:56,410 --> 01:14:54,530
experienced the events that occurred

1642
01:14:58,180 --> 01:14:56,420
there said it was a hoax not the

1643
01:15:01,720 --> 01:14:58,190
reporters that were government's - just

1644
01:15:04,150 --> 01:15:01,730
nobody not one not anybody I defy

1645
01:15:06,190 --> 01:15:04,160
anybody show me a first thing and this

1646
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:06,200
was reported like I say all of Europe

1647
01:15:09,939 --> 01:15:08,510
was there the US was there this was a

1648
01:15:12,850 --> 01:15:09,949
big deal

1649
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,860
a hundred thousand people witness death

1650
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:14,719
and there's even pictures in the book of

1651
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:16,880
them staring in awe of what was going on

1652
01:15:24,339 --> 01:15:21,650
right now I heard that some said it

1653
01:15:26,430 --> 01:15:24,349
looked like a disk why why did some

1654
01:15:28,930 --> 01:15:26,440
people see it differently than others

1655
01:15:31,149 --> 01:15:28,940
well the high D I'd say that there is a

1656
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:31,159
problem in that and is what it is not

1657
01:15:35,620 --> 01:15:33,650
the disk but see I used to be in one of

1658
01:15:39,129 --> 01:15:35,630
my incarnations I was an adjuster for

1659
01:15:42,489 --> 01:15:39,139
State Farm and investigated accidents

1660
01:15:43,660 --> 01:15:42,499
and one person will say this and one

1661
01:15:44,949 --> 01:15:43,670
person will say that but you know

1662
01:15:48,489 --> 01:15:44,959
usually there's a fairly consistent

1663
01:15:51,279 --> 01:15:48,499
story but on details some people frankly

1664
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:51,289
give different accounts but the bulk of

1665
01:15:57,250 --> 01:15:54,320
the story is true yes did Joe hit Sally

1666
01:15:59,319 --> 01:15:57,260
yes he did but that he was going fast no

1667
01:16:01,379 --> 01:15:59,329
he wasn't you know this kind of thing so

1668
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:01,389
in other words I wouldn't vex about that

1669
01:16:08,140 --> 01:16:05,449
but the thing nori was going on about is

1670
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:08,150
that the Virgin Mary would kind of like

1671
01:16:16,779 --> 01:16:11,209
in a glowing form show herself over a

1672
01:16:18,609 --> 01:16:16,789
tree near these kids okay but you know

1673
01:16:20,410 --> 01:16:18,619
like I said how does he know how you're

1674
01:16:23,169 --> 01:16:20,420
supposed to show up from Evan I mean you

1675
01:16:25,149 --> 01:16:23,179
know a helicopter I mean how's he know I

1676
01:16:27,009 --> 01:16:25,159
mean it wasn't a UFO with little lights

1677
01:16:29,109 --> 01:16:27,019
and take me to your leader or something

1678
01:16:30,489 --> 01:16:29,119
in a ladder that came down but I mean he

1679
01:16:33,100 --> 01:16:30,499
was trying to read anything he possibly

1680
01:16:36,549 --> 01:16:33,110
could into it being a UFO issue but

1681
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:36,559
remember Mary's been seen by people in

1682
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:39,170
rooms and everything else not just you

1683
01:16:44,290 --> 01:16:42,289
know outside in a disc and and it wasn't

1684
01:16:48,930 --> 01:16:44,300
really a disc per se it was more of like

1685
01:16:51,459 --> 01:16:48,940
a glowing ball of light if you will and

1686
01:16:52,839 --> 01:16:51,469
I mean no words nore

1687
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:52,849
maybe he wasn't trying to be

1688
01:16:59,770 --> 01:16:56,719
intentionally obnoxious but it was such

1689
01:17:02,439 --> 01:16:59,780
that yes I mean it was what it was but I

1690
01:17:05,459 --> 01:17:02,449
mean you're always trying to read UFO

1691
01:17:08,859 --> 01:17:05,469
issues into it it's not appropriate no

1692
01:17:10,330 --> 01:17:08,869
that's you know and why this is what I

1693
01:17:12,959 --> 01:17:10,340
don't understand it's like you and I

1694
01:17:15,819 --> 01:17:12,969
both are in the business of you know

1695
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:15,829
showing our faith you know faithfully

1696
01:17:19,419 --> 01:17:17,690
open you know all that stuff because we

1697
01:17:22,540 --> 01:17:19,429
hope that other people will learn and

1698
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:22,550
maybe grow you know without smooshing it

1699
01:17:25,890 --> 01:17:23,679
down people's throat

1700
01:17:30,149 --> 01:17:25,900
and then you know something awesome

1701
01:17:32,910 --> 01:17:30,159
happens like a sign from God or Mary or

1702
01:17:35,550 --> 01:17:32,920
Jesus and here comes a Catholic Church

1703
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:35,560
grabbing it hoarding it up and not

1704
01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:42,159
releasing it to people well now there is

1705
01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:44,110
a rationale to that there is a rationale

1706
01:17:49,890 --> 01:17:47,620
to it okay well okay The Secret of

1707
01:17:52,410 --> 01:17:49,900
fátima is what you're referring to yeah

1708
01:17:54,990 --> 01:17:52,420
now now information that was in part of

1709
01:17:57,419 --> 01:17:55,000
the sister lúcia was very dramatic and

1710
01:17:59,399 --> 01:17:57,429
it should be dwelt on first is that she

1711
01:18:01,530 --> 01:17:59,409
was speaking of Russia with his errors

1712
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:01,540
would cause havoc in the world and so

1713
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:04,719
forth when I look this is a 10 11

1714
01:18:10,410 --> 01:18:08,080
year-old kid in rural Portugal I'm not

1715
01:18:11,970 --> 01:18:10,420
even sure they could hardly read or if

1716
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:11,980
they could just very rudimentary

1717
01:18:16,410 --> 01:18:14,560
she had and this is rural area in the

1718
01:18:19,290 --> 01:18:16,420
middle of the boonies she didn't know

1719
01:18:21,260 --> 01:18:19,300
what Russia had as far as socialist

1720
01:18:24,180 --> 01:18:21,270
government and communist Bolshevik

1721
01:18:25,979 --> 01:18:24,190
activities and all this I mean that I

1722
01:18:27,780 --> 01:18:25,989
mean she never where she was not prepped

1723
01:18:29,580 --> 01:18:27,790
and Russia trying to promote communism

1724
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:29,590
or anything like that they had no notion

1725
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:31,690
of that I mean this kid barely knew

1726
01:18:36,899 --> 01:18:34,719
anything about her village she probably

1727
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:36,909
couldn't even point Russia out on the

1728
01:18:41,130 --> 01:18:38,530
map till later when she got a better

1729
01:18:43,140 --> 01:18:41,140
education I mean you see what I mean

1730
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:43,150
maybe that's general eleven-year-old kid

1731
01:18:47,970 --> 01:18:44,770
in Russia wouldn't even know about that

1732
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:47,980
hardly so what I'm saying in other words

1733
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:49,330
there are certain prophecies she was

1734
01:18:54,060 --> 01:18:52,449
given also a second war after the

1735
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:54,070
initiative World War one that was gone

1736
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:55,570
going at the time there would be a

1737
01:19:01,410 --> 01:18:58,000
second more powerful war which obviously

1738
01:19:04,860 --> 01:19:01,420
was the Second World War and the then

1739
01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:04,870
there's the third prophecy that perhaps

1740
01:19:11,250 --> 01:19:09,310
had it's been suggested had a political

1741
01:19:13,229 --> 01:19:11,260
ipped ik elements like the end of the

1742
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:13,239
world serious deaths blah blah blah and

1743
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:16,090
the potential explanation is the church

1744
01:19:22,020 --> 01:19:20,320
does act as a paternal sense and might

1745
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:22,030
have been protecting us from getting

1746
01:19:28,350 --> 01:19:25,449
scared and that is possible possible but

1747
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:28,360
it's it's just I don't know it's like I

1748
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:30,159
think there are so many cool and

1749
01:19:34,020 --> 01:19:31,840
miraculous things that happen like some

1750
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:34,030
of the stories even that I've I've heard

1751
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:36,130
face-to-face or gotten an email over the

1752
01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:37,330
years I'm like

1753
01:19:43,290 --> 01:19:40,270
Wow if this was truly given the credit

1754
01:19:46,830 --> 01:19:43,300
it's do or acknowledged or even not at

1755
01:19:49,950 --> 01:19:46,840
at this could change the world but it

1756
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:49,960
gets you know people feel discredited

1757
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:52,480
and and or not you know in their

1758
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:54,850
position to share and they just hoard it

1759
01:19:58,980 --> 01:19:56,770
and keep it to themselves and and then

1760
01:20:00,450 --> 01:19:58,990
you know they get it they go and they

1761
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:00,460
share it with somebody from the church

1762
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:03,250
and and it gets poo pooed upon and and

1763
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:05,650
it's not approved or thought to be a

1764
01:20:12,030 --> 01:20:09,610
miracle like well but here in the United

1765
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:12,040
States there is one place only in the

1766
01:20:15,540 --> 01:20:13,840
United States that has been ordained as

1767
01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:15,550
being a place of miracles and that's in

1768
01:20:21,390 --> 01:20:19,630
Wisconsin in champion yeah but there's

1769
01:20:24,150 --> 01:20:21,400
been so many other places that have had

1770
01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:24,160
awesome things that hold up now that's

1771
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:26,710
now hold up the church is very

1772
01:20:30,690 --> 01:20:28,810
meticulous to their credit is very

1773
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:30,700
meticulous like okay the remember I told

1774
01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:32,050
you about that chart I had from

1775
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:34,840
international Marian researches to 1900

1776
01:20:38,610 --> 01:20:36,850
the present if you go through that chart

1777
01:20:40,770 --> 01:20:38,620
most of them have no decision no

1778
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:40,780
decision no decision not because they're

1779
01:20:46,050 --> 01:20:43,090
saying it was spurious but they don't

1780
01:20:47,010 --> 01:20:46,060
have enough it's like solving a crime if

1781
01:20:49,050 --> 01:20:47,020
you will there's just not enough

1782
01:20:52,110 --> 01:20:49,060
evidence that they could really hang a

1783
01:20:53,790 --> 01:20:52,120
decision on if you will okay it's not to

1784
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:53,800
try to cover it up at all they're just

1785
01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:56,170
trying to be very very careful in what

1786
01:20:59,250 --> 01:20:57,490
they authenticate and what they don't

1787
01:21:00,930 --> 01:20:59,260
to their credit I mean they're I'm not

1788
01:21:03,780 --> 01:21:00,940
making me to be perfect but that's what

1789
01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:03,790
we try to do I understand it it's but

1790
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:05,490
you know it's like to me it's like

1791
01:21:10,290 --> 01:21:08,410
people hold back and in believing

1792
01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:10,300
because they're waiting for that they

1793
01:21:18,450 --> 01:21:16,840
okay from them but I don't know you know

1794
01:21:19,740 --> 01:21:18,460
it's not as bad as that a matter of fact

1795
01:21:22,110 --> 01:21:19,750
I'm very proud of the church the way

1796
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:22,120
they do it for the most part but I mean

1797
01:21:28,670 --> 01:21:24,850
you know I really am but what I'm saying

1798
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:28,680
is here's what's frustrating to me I

1799
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:31,090
guess that's why I wrote the book I

1800
01:21:37,230 --> 01:21:32,520
guess it makes sense I'd be frustrated

1801
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:37,240
that this is so valid a bunch of

1802
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:40,570
evidence so long-term and experience

1803
01:21:48,510 --> 01:21:42,610
2,000 years the first Marian apparition

1804
01:21:50,820 --> 01:21:48,520
was recorded in 40 ad okay 40 ad okay

1805
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:50,830
and it goes all the way to the current

1806
01:21:56,220 --> 01:21:54,400
and like I say with all this evidence

1807
01:21:57,870 --> 01:21:56,230
like I oh I didn't even get into the

1808
01:21:59,550 --> 01:21:57,880
Virgin Mary's eyes that they Guadalupe

1809
01:22:00,960 --> 01:21:59,560
the image on the shroud that there's a

1810
01:22:04,980 --> 01:22:00,970
whole lot of issues that that are

1811
01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:04,990
absolutely mind-blowing but they right

1812
01:22:10,530 --> 01:22:08,350
trust me it's a miraculous garment it's

1813
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:10,540
Arab it's you can't replicate it and

1814
01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:12,730
this has been a constant custody and

1815
01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:15,190
visible in that church for five hundred

1816
01:22:18,930 --> 01:22:18,160
years so this isn't anybody pulling a

1817
01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:18,940
fast one

1818
01:22:22,830 --> 01:22:21,100
this isn't anybody there made a bunch of

1819
01:22:25,710 --> 01:22:22,840
UFO people making up some whiz-bang

1820
01:22:27,900 --> 01:22:25,720
garment and this is a command to do what

1821
01:22:30,660 --> 01:22:27,910
what is their mo to promote the false

1822
01:22:39,090 --> 01:22:30,670
ISM I mean why would the aliens give a

1823
01:22:42,150 --> 01:22:39,100
rip about Catholicism I mean it's uh I

1824
01:22:44,190 --> 01:22:42,160
don't know it's it's fascinating but for

1825
01:22:47,490 --> 01:22:44,200
people like myself who are not you know

1826
01:22:49,290 --> 01:22:47,500
you know Catholic and and we here you

1827
01:22:51,330 --> 01:22:49,300
know oh the church didn't say that's a

1828
01:22:53,850 --> 01:22:51,340
miracle yet like huh it's like wow that

1829
01:22:56,340 --> 01:22:53,860
is so cool I mean did the church did the

1830
01:22:58,800 --> 01:22:56,350
church acknowledge that Coptic Church in

1831
01:23:02,160 --> 01:22:58,810
Egypt as being a place of you know the

1832
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:02,170
miracle sightings the Coptic Church

1833
01:23:06,450 --> 01:23:04,510
investigated and they said yes it's it

1834
01:23:08,430 --> 01:23:06,460
is what it is I'm looking at the

1835
01:23:10,620 --> 01:23:08,440
pictures right now of Mary and from the

1836
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:10,630
Coptic Church I mean they are just

1837
01:23:15,180 --> 01:23:13,600
incredible absolutely incredible photos

1838
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:15,190
you know it's really good for having

1839
01:23:18,630 --> 01:23:17,290
this show because you know I guess what

1840
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:18,640
I'm saying is even though I wrote the

1841
01:23:22,530 --> 01:23:20,080
book I've been away from the information

1842
01:23:23,970 --> 01:23:22,540
for a while and I and but I mean it's

1843
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:23,980
kind of a getting refreshed to

1844
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:26,800
experience it again and it's so awesome

1845
01:23:31,500 --> 01:23:29,050
it makes me feel good because I realized

1846
01:23:34,110 --> 01:23:31,510
that you know maybe and maybe I've done

1847
01:23:41,330 --> 01:23:34,120
something good after the evening that I

1848
01:23:45,810 --> 01:23:44,040
it's you know it's cool I mean I think

1849
01:23:48,930 --> 01:23:45,820
it's neat to bring this type of

1850
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:48,940
information to the fore it is I'll ask

1851
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you as a Protestant just a you know

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01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:53,320
radio show host personally why are

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people oblivious to this and look past

1854
01:24:01,500 --> 01:23:59,380
it to deal with idiotic issues either

1855
01:24:04,379 --> 01:24:01,510
more about The Apprentice show with

1856
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:04,389
Donald Trump and they are this that

1857
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:06,489
is so very true you know I think that

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01:24:11,939 --> 01:24:09,280
more needs to be done in the angle of

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01:24:14,580 --> 01:24:11,949
miracles because I remember some time

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01:24:16,979 --> 01:24:14,590
ago there was a program was it proof or

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01:24:21,779 --> 01:24:16,989
evidence of miracles and and they tested

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01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:21,789
some of the statues that cried blood or

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01:24:26,009 --> 01:24:23,679
tear and you know they put it in an MRI

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01:24:28,889 --> 01:24:26,019
machine and and then you know it was

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01:24:31,259 --> 01:24:28,899
just amazing and it was and the guy that

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01:24:34,409 --> 01:24:31,269
started that did this documentary was a

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skeptic and and he's like you know at

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01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:37,030
the end of this I'm like whoa you know

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01:24:45,359 --> 01:24:38,649
they tested the blood that came out of

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01:24:47,009 --> 01:24:45,369
this 70s and 80s Our Lady of Akita in

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01:24:49,739 --> 01:24:47,019
Japan they tested the tears absolutely

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human tears it's amazing that's amazing

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I mean that was done that not students

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01:24:56,100 --> 01:24:54,099
it was done but what I'm saying is but

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I'm still I guess you know I hate to be

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01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:58,780
you know I'm not the in charge of why I

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think why people behave the way they do

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01:25:09,779 --> 01:25:05,070
but it says in the Bible Heidi God draws

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to him those that he wants now you know

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I've had some of these critics you know

1881
01:25:17,580 --> 01:25:13,630
I've talked to said well maybe God just

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01:25:19,770 --> 01:25:17,590
don't want you what I'm saying you know

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it's not you know yes I'm smart alikum

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01:25:23,729 --> 01:25:21,399
but at the same time I'm thinking hey

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01:25:25,020 --> 01:25:23,739
the Bible says what it says and maybe

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01:25:26,459 --> 01:25:25,030
the some of these people that are

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01:25:29,850 --> 01:25:26,469
oblivious to it he just really don't

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01:25:32,669 --> 01:25:29,860
care I'm serious I didn't make that up

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01:25:35,250 --> 01:25:32,679
he drives he draws the people to him he

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01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:35,260
wants well you know what people have

1891
01:25:38,339 --> 01:25:36,729
asked me why you why'd you have the

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01:25:41,429 --> 01:25:38,349
experience as you did and I'm like no

1893
01:25:43,649 --> 01:25:41,439
well hold on God is pretty all-knowing

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and I think he knew what I would do with

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the information

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that I wouldn't sit on it that I would

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01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:48,309
do my best to share it in hopes of

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01:25:55,889 --> 01:25:51,760
helping others you know so same for you

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01:25:57,209 --> 01:25:55,899
well yes and I don't know but still yeah

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it does make you scratch your head

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01:26:01,830 --> 01:26:00,099
because getting back to what Barth said

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01:26:03,089 --> 01:26:01,840
earlier on I'm he's thinking how come

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01:26:05,310 --> 01:26:03,099
people aren't talking about this on a

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01:26:08,669 --> 01:26:05,320
weekly basis instead of what the lady

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01:26:10,020 --> 01:26:08,679
say oh by the way at any given time from

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01:26:11,639 --> 01:26:10,030
my understanding from the International

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01:26:14,459 --> 01:26:11,649
Marion Research Institute there's a lot

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01:26:17,009 --> 01:26:14,469
about a dozen apparitional events going

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01:26:17,729 --> 01:26:17,019
on worldwide any given time and they're

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01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:17,739
looking into all

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as they occur and I mean for real

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and it's not this is a very what I'm

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01:26:28,890 --> 01:26:27,099
saying is the pots always stirring in

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01:26:31,169 --> 01:26:28,900
this and the Virgin Mary is very active

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01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:31,179
and so forth and so on and this has been

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01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:33,670
going on for 2,000 years

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01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:39,489
this isn't a johnny-come-lately deal I

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01:26:44,489 --> 01:26:41,639
mean I don't know let's it's absolutely

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astonishing and and I just I just love

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01:26:48,359 --> 01:26:46,150
this stuff I love this information

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that's uh well I'm just amazed that you

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01:26:54,330 --> 01:26:50,519
you smell the odor of sanctity being a

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01:26:57,660 --> 01:26:54,340
that's okay I did tell you about my very

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01:27:00,540 --> 01:26:57,670
real I guess you could say kind of in an

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01:27:05,609 --> 01:27:00,550
encounter even with Mother Teresa

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01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:05,619
haha that's pretty good well that's very

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01:27:10,290 --> 01:27:07,449
good I'm interested that but you know

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also uh I really I really feel good

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01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:13,719
about this but you know they care for

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01:27:17,009 --> 01:27:15,489
those that want the book they could just

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01:27:19,529 --> 01:27:17,019
go to actually really just go to Kevin

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01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:19,539
cook show calm and and your book will be

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01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:21,010
on there your books will be on there my

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01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:22,210
book will be on there they can just

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01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:24,249
punch it and get it from Amazon or

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01:27:30,689 --> 01:27:27,280
Barnes and noble.com and they'd be in

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01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:30,699
business you know what this has been an

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01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:35,110
absolute fun an interesting perspective

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to get from you you know and real quick

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you know people have asked in the chat

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room and I'm curious to what do you

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01:27:51,810 --> 01:27:41,710
think of the progressive views of our

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01:27:54,029 --> 01:27:51,820
new pope or your new pope I don't agree

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01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:54,039
with all of them no I don't I mean he's

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01:28:00,479 --> 01:27:58,239
he has some good points but I mean look

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I don't care how progressive the Pope is

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he could be a swell guy and want to have

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01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:03,730
a beer with him or something like that

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01:28:11,069 --> 01:28:08,639
but if it's a allusions to the

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01:28:13,620 --> 01:28:11,079
acceptance of homosexuality I'm Sam

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against it and I'm not saying we got to

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01:28:16,859 --> 01:28:15,130
burn him alive or anything but I'm

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01:28:18,509 --> 01:28:16,869
saying look either got the Bible's

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01:28:22,620 --> 01:28:18,519
either has has something to say about it

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01:28:25,379 --> 01:28:22,630
or it doesn't that's it and I don't care

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how amiable the Pope is fine he you know

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01:28:29,370 --> 01:28:27,460
there's a limit to what he could say but

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I mean that but as far as other things

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yes he's very positive

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01:28:35,410 --> 01:28:32,510
well you know I disagree with you when

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01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:35,420
it comes to that but anyways you know I

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01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:37,250
think think people deserve to have equal

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rights but that's just me but anyway so

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I thank you so much for coming on the

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show Kevin cook it's fun to have you on

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I guess I'll be on with you again this

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Tuesday so thanks for come on day two I

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hope you remember my DB Monday yes a

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Monday we're gonna be epic voyagers

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we're gonna be on that so um that'll be

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fun

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so you guys remember you can catch me

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01:28:59,770 --> 01:28:58,520
here every Friday 9:00 p.m. Eastern 8:00

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p.m. Central you've been listening to me

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01:29:03,250 --> 01:29:01,130
Heidi Hollis at the outlander an

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inception radio network remember always